>> that's what washington leaders are elected to do, to lead and govern. i think that's why the private sector is speaking out this way, because this is an issue that we have to educate the public, and we have to press our leaders to address. >> we had a representative on yesterday, democratic representative. he didn't even want to talk about means testing medicare or social security. very focused on raising taxes on the rich. if you have a millionaire or billionaire elderly person, and you tell them, guess what, you're going to have to pay more for your health care, that would be like raising their taxes, right? and it would help reduce the problem. but they don't want to talk about that. >> the easiest solution's in front of us. i'm not the expert on medicare or social security. means testing and raising age limits seem to me to be pretty practical solutions as part of the solution, not the total solution, to reducing entitlement spending. >> if you were this the white house today with with the president as many of the nation's leading ceos are, what wou